So what now?


Agnostic Atheist. It’s a term I have used a lot on the podcast and one that I explain in this way. Agnostic is due to knowledge; I don’t know if God is real or not. Atheist is because I am not convinced that there is a God, not because I know there isn’t a God. I still think this sums my position up well, for anyone who cares. I mentioned in my review of Miracles that I am not a fan of labels, and this is true. Labels are very tricky things, but they can also help clarify things in the way guessing, hoping and inferring unhelpfully do not.

As readers of this blog will have seen, I have been really struck with what C.S. Lewis says in his book ‘Miracles’. Morality and Reason being rooted in something outside of Nature makes sense. At least in the way that Lewis weaves it together.

The problem is this doesn’t mean it is true. I am not trying to pick a side and fight tooth and nail to prove one is right over the other. Rather I am trying to reflect on what I read/hear and honestly share my experience on this blog, and on the podcast.

I am still very sceptical of what Mr Lewis says in his book. It doesn’t come down to definitive answers which provide me with confidence in a Being outside of Nature. What it does is paint a picture upon which a Being is required to grant the depth that Lewis experienced in the world.

The problem comes down to the reality that we know far more about consciousness today than we did when Mr Lewis wrote this book. For example, we now believe that both the right and left sides of the brain are independently conscious. To the extent that through clinical experiments you can make both hands fight for something (such as a pen), without the ‘person’ wishing this to happen. Both the person’s right and left hands will act out the desires of the relevant side of the brain. You can also see different sides of the brain wishing to do different professions (when a child was asked what they want to be when they are older they said one thing, and one of their hands spelt something else out). This might sound crazy, but I would encourage you to look into it.

Two books that take a short look at this are ‘Waking Up‘ by Sam Harris’ and ‘The Happiness Hypothesis‘ by Jonathan Haidt. Both of which will be reviewed here on the blog in the near future, both are also worth a read if you have the time.

Does this make what Lewis said wrong or irrelevant? No, I don’t think it does. So that still has me stumped. There’s a strange desire in me to know the truth about God. Not a truth, but the truth. Like it’s rooted within my very core and keeps me going down a path. Does evolution put this within me? Is it an echo of something else?

Anyway – how can we claim that consciousness, in regard to reason and morality, is rooted in a divine being when we can see within one person different expressions of these things? A question raised by Sam Harris leading on from his time spent reflecting on split-brain syndrome is simply this: what happens if the left side of the brain believes in a supernatural deity when the right-hand side does not? What is saved into eternal life with God, and what is cast into hell?

Is this even the right way to look at the question?

Things seem to be far more complicated than believing you or I am a single person. We are a collective of conscious and sub-conscious workings which can build the illusion of ‘I’.

Again, this might be running down rabbit holes to no avail. It is far easier to decouple something than it is to build something up, I need to keep remembering this. Destroying something takes moments, rebuilding can take a lifetime.

So, what about rationality from an irrational process? To the extent of objective rationality, maybe this doesn’t exist? On the other hand, mathematics doesn’t seem to have been invented, rather it seems to have been discovered. Consciousness has allowed us to reflect on things outside of ourselves to a level that no other living thing has ever done before (that we are aware of to date). We have taken paths due to evolution which has enabled us to ‘rationally’ tackle things whilst also watching out for something that will stop us from pushing our genes into the future. Could our rationality, and maybe our morality not be ‘rational’ and ‘moral’ from an objective process, but simple the best we have come to through an unguided process, such as evolution?

But I don’t want answers that are false because they make things fit comfortably together. I want answers that are the closest to reality as we can step. This is why Lewis’ book Miracles has so gripped me. I want actual rationality, actual morality, actual purpose and actual reason.

How about miracles? How do we know events have taken place if Nature will incorporate them without missing a beat? The way C.S. Lewis talks about this is brilliant, it is also very moving, but it doesn’t prove miracles take place. Rather it proves that we could have miracles taking place, without even knowing they are taking place. We can assume a lot of things to have taken place, claimed they are miracles because others said they are miracles and they actually happened. This doesn’t prove it happened, or if it did whether it was a miracle or not.

This however doesn’t mean it’s ok to just say, ‘we can’t know, so I won’t try and find out’. As I have made clear so many times, my goal here is to be as honest as I can be as I journey my own life reflecting, reading and engaging as I go.

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When Belief Dies #77 – 'Carts, Horses & Certainty' with Roger Bretherton When Belief Dies

This week Sam sits back down with Roger Bretherton to look at certainty and what Roger holds as his bedrock to his faith. The video version of this conversation can be found here on our YouTube channel 12 hours after the audio version goes live. Is a relational faith enough? Can it be pinned down? What would undermine this? Is there a circle that one can enter to start to know God? Is it someone's fault if they can't or don't believe in God? We close with a challenge for Roger to complete to push into this more effectively in the next conversation. *Note* I was wrong about where the verses about a hanged man being cursed are found in the OT, it's actually within Deuteronomy 21:22-23. *Note* Roger's Bio: Dr Roger Bretherton is Principal Lecturer for Enterprise in the School of Psychology at the University of Lincoln. He worked as a clinician, manager and trainer in the NHS for over a decade, and joined the University of Lincoln in 2007, where he specialises in coaching and positive psychology. You can find/follow Roger here:   Website University Page The GOD Lab – 8 Spiritual Experiments You Can Try at Home   Twitter (hermit) We hope you enjoy our show. When Belief Dies aims to honestly reflect on faith, religion and life. Your support via Patreon enables us to cover the costs of running this show and look to the future to make things even better as we build upon what we already have in the works. Please take a look and consider giving. Alternatively, you can support the show with a one-off gift via PayPal or Bitcoin. Use the following link to navigate to the website, to find us on social media and anywhere else we might be present online. #Podcast #Deconstruction #God #Agnostic #Christian #Atheism  #Apologetics #Audio #Question #Exvangelical #Deconversion #SecularGrace  #Exchristian
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  • Mathematics is invented.

    As an analogy, think of Lego blocks. They were invented, but children discover many interesting things that they can do with Lego blocks. So there’s a mixture of invention and discovery.

    It’s the same with mathematics. There’s a mixture of invention and discovery.

    (Did I mention that I’m a mathematician?)


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